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The Non-Human & AI Identity Podcast
- By Humans for Humans, No AI-Generated Content.
- Mr. NHI hosts the voices shaping the future of Non-Human & Agentic AI Identity.
Hosted by Mr. NHI, the podcast brings together the voices actively shaping the future of Non-Human Identity (NHI) and Agentic AI Identity, from founders and practitioners to security leaders dealing with these challenges in the real world.
Identity security, IAM, and agentic AI are colliding — and the old world of network perimeters and endpoint controls can no longer keep up.
Alex Bovee, CEO and Co-Founder of C1.ai and former security product leader at Okta, joins Lalit Choda (Mr. NHI) on the Non-Human and AI Identity Podcast to map out how we got here — from network-centric perimeters to endpoint security controls to identity as the new security control plane — and what the third generation of cybersecurity actually has to look like when AI agents are non-deterministic, goal-maxing, and completely without a moral compass.
What you’ll learn:
- Why the first two generations of security — network security and endpoint security — have reached their limits
- Why identity security is the only control plane that works across human identities, non-human identities (NHIs), and AI agents
- Why AI agents are non-deterministic and non-trustable — and what that means for IAM and access control
- Why runtime authorization must replace orchestration-based identity governance and access management
- Why visibility into your NHI and machine identity estate is not enough without full lifecycle management
- Why agents evaluating other agents is an inevitable part of agentic AI security at machine speed
- How to think about the four control points for agentic workloads: harness, data and context, LLM inference endpoints, and credentials
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Key Moments
- Introduction & Meet Alex [00:00–01:10]
- Mr. NHI’s Human Identity in the Hot Seat [01:10–12:14]
- The 3 Generations of Security: Network, Endpoint, Identity [12:25–17:20]
- Why Identity is the New Cybersecurity Control Plane [17:20–20:20]
- From Orchestration to Runtime: The Shift That Changes Everything [20:20–23:05]
- NHI Technical Debt & Credential Lifecycle Management [23:05–30:25]
- Agents Evaluating Agents: The Machine-Speed Imperative [30:25–34:45]
- C1’s Architecture: 4 Control Points for the Agentic Enterprise [34:45–40:10]
- Enabling AI Builders Without Compromising Zero Trust Security [40:10–43:05]
- C1 Transform — October 6th, San Francisco [43:05–46:30]
- Closing Thoughts for CISOs and Security Leaders [46:30–47:28]