NHI & AI Identity Podcast (Ep-11) – Securing AI Agents in RunTime

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The Non-Human & AI Identity Podcast

• By Humans for Humans, No AI Generated Content.
• Mr. NHI hosts the voices shaping the future of Non-Human & Agentic AI Identity.

Hosted by Mr. NHI, the podcast brings together the voices actively shaping the future of Non-Human Identity (NHI) and Agentic AI Identity, from founders and practitioners to security leaders dealing with these challenges in the real world.

In Episode 11, we’re joined by Oded Hareven, CEO & Co-Founder of Akeyless, to explore what it actually means to secure AI agents at runtime — and why the identity frameworks we’ve relied on for machines and humans are no longer sufficient.

This episode gets into the architectural and governance challenges that agentic AI creates, with real-world breach breakdowns and what should have stopped them. Together, they explored:

• Why credentials in agent memory are game over — and what the Pocket OS breach exposes about this failure mode
• How the industry must shift from static entitlements to continuous, intent-aware, per-action authorisation
• Why an AI gateway proxy is the only architecture that delivers traceability, choke-point control, and ephemeral credential issuance
• How agent-to-agent delegation is collapsing accountability — and how OAuth-style delegation should actually work
• What security and IAM teams should do right now, before the business deploys agents at scale without them

NHI Foundation Level Training

If you work with AI agents, cloud services, APIs, or CI/CD pipelines, securing Non-Human Identities is essential. Take the most comprehensive and only accredited NHI training program in the industry and learn how to manage and secure NHIs, including AI agents. Enrol here – nhi-training.org

Key Moments

• Mr NHI’s Human Identity In The Hot Seat 1:40 – 12:38 
• What makes AI agents fundamentally different from machines and humans? 13:00 – 17:00 
• Why credentials in agent memory are a critical security failure 17:00 – 20:00 
• The shift from identity to “runtime authority” — a new security paradigm 21:20 – 24:40 
• The AI gateway proxy — how it works as a policy engine and kill switch 24:40 – 31:30 
• Agent-to-agent delegation: the governance time bomb 31:40 – 37:20 
• Are current frameworks mature enough for complex agentic architectures? 37:20 – 39:40 
• Akeyless’s agentic runtime authority vision and what’s coming 39:40 – 42:00 
• Key takeaways and where to start securing AI agents today 42:00 – 45:00 
• Closing thoughts and Identiverse 2026 preview 45:00 – 47:00

David Goldschlag is Mr. NHIs – Human Identity in the Hot Seat

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Straight from the NHAI Global Summit, David Goldschlag, CEO and co-founder of Aembit, faces the heat in our ‘Hot Seat’ segment, tackling 10 rapid-fire questions on identity management and security. A sharp conversation packed with perspectives that could reshape how you approach identity governance in the age of AI.

Listen to how David responded to the questions below:

Are organisations taking NHI risks seriously enough?

David explores whether Non-Human Identity risk is truly being addressed — or still underestimated despite its growing impact.

Is IAM for AI more important than AI for IAM?

The discussion positions identity as the control layer for AI systems, rather than something to simply enhance with AI.

Does Agentic AI security equal NHI security?

David examines the overlap while highlighting the risks of treating these two domains as identical.

Are regulators moving fast enough to keep up with Agentic AI?

A look at the widening gap between rapid AI innovation and the pace of regulatory response.

Are you a fan of vibe coding?

David reflects on the balance between rapid development and the hidden security debt it can introduce.

Will static long-lived credentials still exist in five years?

A forward-looking discussion on whether traditional secrets can survive in an AI-driven environment.

Are CISOs ready for fleets of autonomous AI agents?

David questions whether current leadership and identity strategies can scale to manage autonomous digital identities.

Are organisations putting time-to-market ahead of security controls for AI agents?

The conversation highlights the tension between innovation speed and security maturity.

Does PAM need to change dramatically with the introduction of Agentic AI agents?

David explores how privileged access management must evolve as AI agents operate with elevated permissions.

Will the AI agent digital workforce lead to mass unemployment?

Separating hype from reality, David focuses on how work is more likely to evolve than disappear.

NHI Foundation Level Training

If you work with AI agents, cloud services, APIs, or CI/CD pipelines, securing Non-Human Identities is essential.

Take the most comprehensive and only accredited NHI training program in the industry and learn how to manage and secure NHIs, including AI agents.

Enrol here – nhi-training.org

Adil Khan is Mr. NHIs – Human Identity in the Hot Seat

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Straight from the RSAC 2026 Conference, Adil Khan, CEO of SafePaaS, faces the heat in our ‘Hot Seat’ segment, tackling 10 rapid-fire questions on identity management and security. A sharp conversation packed with perspectives that could reshape how you approach identity governance in the age of AI.

Listen to how Adil responded to the questions below:

Is NHI risk a top priority for CISOs today?

Adil explores whether Non-Human Identity risk is truly being prioritized at the leadership level — or still treated as a secondary concern.

Are CISOs ready for fleets of autonomous AI agents?

The conversation examines whether current security strategies can scale to manage large numbers of autonomous digital identities.

Is IAM for AI more important than AI for IAM?

Adil reinforces the idea that identity is the control layer for AI systems, not just something to enhance with AI capabilities.

Does PAM change dramatically with the introduction of Agentic AI agents?

A look at how privileged access management must evolve as AI agents operate with elevated access and autonomy.

Is it possible to govern and control Agentic AI agents?

Adil addresses the fundamental challenge of maintaining control over systems designed to act independently.

Are organisations putting time-to-market ahead of security controls for AI agents?

The discussion highlights the growing tension between rapid innovation and the maturity of security practices.

Will the AI agent digital workforce lead to mass unemployment?

Adil separates hype from reality, focusing on how roles are more likely to evolve than disappear.

Are current identity standards fit for autonomous systems?

A critical perspective on whether existing IAM frameworks can support non-human, autonomous actors.

Can Zero Trust work for autonomous AI agents?

Adil explores whether Zero Trust principles can realistically be applied to AI agents operating at scale.

Are organisations taking NHI risks seriously enough?

The conversation returns to a core issue — the persistent gap between awareness and action in managing NHI risk.

NHI Foundation Level Training

If you work with AI agents, cloud services, APIs, or CI/CD pipelines, securing Non-Human Identities is essential.

Take the most comprehensive and only accredited NHI training program in the industry and learn how to manage and secure NHIs, including AI agents.

Enrol here – nhi-training.org

Steven Rennick is Mr. NHIs – Human Identity in the Hot Seat

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Straight from the NHAI Global Summit, Steven Rennick, Senior Leader of IT Architecture at Ciena, faces the heat in our ‘Hot Seat’ segment, tackling 10 rapid-fire questions on identity management and security. A sharp conversation packed with perspectives that could reshape how you approach identity governance in the age of AI.

Listen to how Steven responded to the questions below:

Are organisations taking NHI risks seriously enough?

Steven explores whether Non-Human Identity risk is truly being addressed — or still underestimated despite its growing impact.

Is IAM for AI more important than AI for IAM?

The discussion positions identity as the control layer for AI systems, rather than something to simply enhance with AI.

Does Agentic AI security equal NHI security?

Steven examines the overlap while highlighting the risks of treating these two domains as identical.

Are regulators moving fast enough to keep up with Agentic AI?

A look at the widening gap between rapid AI innovation and the pace of regulatory response.

Are you a fan of vibe coding?

Steven reflects on the balance between rapid development and the hidden security debt it can introduce.

Will static long-lived credentials still exist in five years?

A forward-looking discussion on whether traditional secrets can survive in an AI-driven environment.

Are CISOs ready for fleets of autonomous AI agents?

Steven questions whether current leadership and identity strategies can scale to manage autonomous digital identities.

Are organisations putting time-to-market ahead of security controls for AI agents?

The conversation highlights the tension between innovation speed and security maturity.

Does PAM need to change dramatically with the introduction of Agentic AI agents?

Steven explores how privileged access management must evolve as AI agents operate with elevated permissions.

Will the AI agent digital workforce lead to mass unemployment?

Separating hype from reality, Steven focuses on how work is more likely to evolve than disappear.

NHI Foundation Level Training

If you work with AI agents, cloud services, APIs, or CI/CD pipelines, securing Non-Human Identities is essential.

Take the most comprehensive and only accredited NHI training program in the industry and learn how to manage and secure NHIs, including AI agents.

Enrol here – nhi-training.org

Greg Dányi is Mr. NHIs – Human Identity in the Hot Seat

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Straight from the RSAC 2026 Conference, Greg Dányi, Co-founder & CTO at P0 Security faces the heat in our ‘Hot Seat’ segment, tackling 10 rapid-fire questions on identity management and security. His rapid insights cut straight to the heart of modern identity risks, offering perspectives that could reshape how security leaders think about protection, governance, and trust.

Listen to how Greg responded to the questions below:

When did you personally realize that NHIs are a top-tier security risk?

Greg reflects on the moment it became clear that Non-Human Identities are not just operational assets — but a critical and often underestimated attack surface.

Are we repeating the same mistakes managing NHIs with AI agents?

The conversation explores how legacy identity challenges may be resurfacing as organisations adopt AI agents at speed.

Do you personally use AI agents in your day-to-day work?

Greg shares a practical perspective on how AI agents are being used in real workflows today.

Is IAM for AI more important than AI for IAM?

The discussion reinforces identity as the control layer for AI systems, rather than something to simply optimize with AI.

Do AI agents behave more like employees or software?

Greg examines how autonomy is blurring traditional boundaries and forcing organisations to rethink identity models.

Does PAM change dramatically with the introduction of Agentic AI agents?

A look at how privileged access management must evolve as AI agents operate with elevated permissions.

Do you think it’s possible to govern and control Agentic AI agents?

Greg addresses the core challenge of balancing autonomy with governance in increasingly independent systems.

Will AI agents eventually need proper background checks like humans?

The conversation explores trust, accountability, and verification for autonomous digital entities.

Are organisations putting time-to-market ahead of security controls for AI agents?

Greg highlights the tension between rapid deployment and the maturity of security practices.

Do you think Agentic AI can be truly predictable?

A deeper look at the limits of control in systems designed to act autonomously.

Will the AI agent digital workforce lead to mass unemployment?

Greg separates hype from reality, focusing on how roles are more likely to evolve than disappear.

NHI Foundation Level Training

If you work with AI agents, cloud services, APIs, or CI/CD pipelines, securing Non-Human Identities is essential.

Take the most comprehensive and only accredited NHI training program in the industry and learn how to manage and secure NHIs, including AI agents.

Enrol here – nhi-training.org

Mike Schwartz is Mr. NHIs – Human Identity in the Hot Seat

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Mike Schwartz, Founder & CEO at Gluu, joins Mr. NHI at the Non-Human & AI Identity podcast, where he is put in the hot seat as Mr. NHI fires 10 machine speed questions on identity management and security, including Non-Human Identities (NHIs) and the intersection with Agentic AI Agents.

Listen to how Mike responded to the questions below:

Are organisations taking NHI risks seriously enough?

Mike highlights how Non-Human Identities remain a critical but under-prioritized risk area across many organisations.

Should Agentic AI identities be treated separately from Non-Human Identities?

The discussion explores whether separating these categories improves clarity — or introduces gaps in security coverage.

Are organisations putting time-to-market ahead of security controls for AI agents?

Mike examines the pressure to innovate quickly and whether it’s coming at the cost of proper governance and control.

Are CISOs ready for fleets of autonomous digital employees?

A leadership perspective on whether current security programs can scale to manage autonomous identities.

Does Mr. NHI post too much on LinkedIn?

A lighter moment that still reflects on the importance of education, awareness, and signal vs noise in the industry.

Can Zero Standing Privilege work for NHIs and AI agents?

Mike discusses whether just-in-time access models can realistically be applied to machine identities at scale.

Is the recent market activity involving identity vendors a good thing for the industry?

A look at whether acquisitions and investments are driving meaningful innovation or simply reshaping the market.

Will the AI agent digital workforce lead to mass unemployment?

Mike separates hype from reality, focusing on how roles may evolve alongside automation.

Does PAM change dramatically with the introduction of Agentic AI agents?

The conversation explores how privileged access management must adapt to autonomous systems with elevated access.

Is it possible to truly govern and control Agentic AI agents?

Mike addresses the core challenge: balancing autonomy with control in systems that are designed to act independently.

NHI Foundation Level Training

If you work with AI agents, cloud services, APIs, or CI/CD pipelines, securing Non-Human Identities is essential.

Take the most comprehensive and only accredited NHI training program in the industry and learn how to manage and secure NHIs, including AI agents.

Enrol here – nhi-training.org

NHI & AI Identity Podcast (Ep-10) – Introducing GovOps – Security Governance & Compliance

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The Non-Human & AI Identity Podcast

• By Humans for Humans, No AI Generated Content.
• Mr. NHI hosts the voices shaping the future of Non-Human & Agentic AI Identity.

Hosted by Mr. NHI, the podcast brings together the voices actively shaping the future of Non-Human Identity (NHI) and Agentic AI Identity, from founders and practitioners to security leaders dealing with these challenges in the real world.

In Episode 10, we’re joined by Mike Schwartz, Founder & CEO at Gluu to explore a critical shift happening in cybersecurity: how organizations govern, secure, and control Non-Human Identities and AI agents at scale.

This episode introduces the concept of GovOps, a new operating model designed to bring governance, policy, and compliance into the fast-moving world Agentic AI. It goes deep into the growing gap between innovation and control, and why traditional approaches and compliance are no longer enough.

Together, they explored:

• What is GovOps?
• What is the scope of GovOps?
• What are the 3 core components policies authoring Federation Management?
• The intersection between GovOps, DevSecOps, and DevOps?

NHI Foundation Level Training

If you work with AI agents, cloud services, APIs, or CI/CD pipelines, securing Non-Human Identities is essential.

Take the most comprehensive and only accredited NHI training program in the industry and learn how to manage and secure NHIs, including AI agents.

Enrol here – nhi-training.org

Key Moments

• Mr NHI’s Human Identity in the Hot Seat (3:47–13:13)
• What Is GovOps? (14:00–17:19)
• What Is the Scope of GovOps? (17:30–20:49)
• What Problem Are You Trying to Solve with GovOps? (21:11–26:29)
• The Main Focus of GovOps (26:31–29:50)
• What Are the Three Core Components: Policy Authoring and Federation Management? (30:34–37:54)
• How Will GovOps Help CEOs, Leaders, and Security Heads? (38:30–41:38)
• How Would GovOps Have Helped with the Recent McKinsey AI Platform Breach? (41:40–44:46)
• Is There Any Intersection Between GovOps, DevSecOps, and DevOps? (44:47–48:26)
• Closing Thoughts and Advice for the Audience (48:40–50:53)

Jeff Reich is Mr. NHIs – Human Identity in the Hot Seat

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Jeff Reich, IDSA Executive Director, joins Mr. NHI at the Non-Human & AI Identity podcast, where he is put in the hot seat as Mr. NHI fires 10 machine speed questions on identity management and security, including Non-Human Identities (NHIs) and the intersection with Agentic AI Agents.

Listen to how Jeff responded to the questions below:

Are organisations taking NHI risks seriously enough?

Jeff highlights how Non-Human Identities continue to be underestimated, despite being deeply embedded across modern systems and workflows.

Are you a fan of vibe coding?

While it accelerates development, Jeff questions whether organisations are fully accounting for the long-term security implications.

Is IAM for AI more important than AI for IAM?

The discussion reinforces identity as the foundation for controlling AI systems, rather than simply enhancing IAM with AI capabilities.

Will regulators move fast enough to keep up with Agentic AI?

Jeff explores the growing gap between rapid technological advancement and the slower pace of regulation.

Will hackers be the biggest winners from AI?

As defenders experiment, attackers scale. Jeff explains how AI may amplify existing asymmetries in cybersecurity.

Do you personally use AI agents?

A practical perspective on adoption, experimentation, and how AI agents are being used in real-world scenarios.

Are organisations putting time-to-market ahead of security controls for AI agents?

Jeff calls out the tension between innovation speed and the maturity of identity and access controls.

Will static long-lived credentials and secrets still exist in five years?

A forward-looking discussion on whether legacy authentication models can survive in an AI-driven environment.

Does PAM change dramatically with the introduction of Agentic AI agents?

Jeff explores how privileged access management must evolve as AI agents operate with elevated permissions and autonomy.

Should Agentic AI identities be treated separately from Non-Human Identities?

The conversation examines whether separating these categories improves clarity — or creates new security blind spots.

NHI Foundation Level Training

If you work with AI agents, cloud services, APIs, or CI/CD pipelines, securing Non-Human Identities is essential.

Take the most comprehensive and only accredited NHI training program in the industry and learn how to manage and secure NHIs, including AI agents.

Enrol here – nhi-training.org

NHI & AI Identity Podcast (Ep-9) – Finding the NHI Blind Spots

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The Non-Human & AI Identity Podcast

• By Humans for Humans, No AI Generated Content.
• Mr. NHI hosts the voices shaping the future of Non-Human & Agentic AI Identity.

Hosted by Mr. NHI, the podcast brings together the voices actively shaping the future of Non-Human Identity (NHI) and Agentic AI Identity, from founders and practitioners to security leaders dealing with these challenges in the real world.

In Episode 9, we’re joined by Jeff Reich, IDSA Executive Director to uncover one of the biggest challenges in cybersecurity today: Where are the Non-Human Identity (NHI) blind spots that organizations are still missing in the age of Agentic AI?

This episode goes beyond surface-level discussions and dives into where things are actually breaking in the real world, from hidden NHI blind spots and lack of ownership, to the trade-offs organizations are making between speed, scale, and security. It explores how rapid AI adoption is exposing gaps in visibility, governance, and control, and why many existing IAM and PAM models are struggling to keep up with autonomous, non-deterministic identities.

Together, they explored:

• What are the major NHI blind spots within organisations?
• How are practitioners struggling to deal with NHI challenges and blind spots?
• What are the big security amplifications and challenges that AI Agents bring?
• What are you hearing from the practitioners about the Agentic AI maturity?

NHI Foundation Level Training

If you work with AI agents, cloud services, APIs, or CI/CD pipelines, securing Non-Human Identities is essential.

Take the most comprehensive and only accredited NHI training program in the industry and learn how to manage and secure NHIs, including AI agents.

Enrol here – nhi-training.org

Key Moments

• Mr NHI’s Human Identity in the Hot Seat (2:50 – 9:25)
• What Are the Major NHI Blind Spots Within Organisations (13:58 – 16:57)
• Why Have We Ended Up with a Lot of Blind Spots Around the NHI Space? (17:41 – 21:15)
• How Are Practitioners Struggling to Deal with NHI Challenges and Blind Spots? (22:15 – 26:12)
• What Are You Hearing from the Practitioners About the Agentic AI Maturity? (28:55 – 31:44)
• What Are the Big Security Amplifications and Challenges That AI Agents Bring? (31:46 – 34:25)
• Where Are We Now from the Tools, Frameworks, and Standards Standpoint? (35:42 – 39:28)
• How Do CISOs or Security Heads Decide What Tools They Should Buy or – Build from a Capabilities Standpoint? (39:58 – 43:51)
• What Things Would You Advise Folks to Focus on or Prioritise to Tackle NHI Blind Spots? (44:11 – 47:06)
• Closing Thoughts / Advice for the Audience (48:59 – 50:20)

Itzik Alvas is Mr. NHIs – Human Identity in the Hot Seat

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Straight from the NHAI Global Summit, Itzik Alvas, CEO of Entro Security, faces the heat in our ‘Hot Seat’ segment, tackling 10 rapid-fire questions on identity management and security. A sharp conversation packed with perspectives that could reshape how you approach identity governance in the age of AI.

Listen to how Itzik responded to the questions below:

Are organisations taking NHI risks seriously enough?

Itzik explores whether Non-Human Identity risk is truly being addressed — or still underestimated despite its growing impact.

Is IAM for AI more important than AI for IAM?

The discussion positions identity as the control layer for AI systems, rather than something to simply enhance with AI.

Does Agentic AI security equal NHI security?

Itzik examines the overlap while highlighting the risks of treating these two domains as identical.

Are regulators moving fast enough to keep up with Agentic AI?

A look at the widening gap between rapid AI innovation and the pace of regulatory response.

Are you a fan of vibe coding?

Itzik reflects on the balance between rapid development and the hidden security debt it can introduce.

Will static long-lived credentials still exist in five years?

A forward-looking discussion on whether traditional secrets can survive in an AI-driven environment.

Are CISOs ready for fleets of autonomous AI agents?

Itzik questions whether current leadership and identity strategies can scale to manage autonomous digital identities.

Are organisations putting time-to-market ahead of security controls for AI agents?

The conversation highlights the tension between innovation speed and security maturity.

Does PAM need to change dramatically with the introduction of Agentic AI agents?

Itzik explores how privileged access management must evolve as AI agents operate with elevated permissions.

Will the AI agent digital workforce lead to mass unemployment?

Separating hype from reality, Itzik focuses on how work is more likely to evolve than disappear.

NHI Foundation Level Training

If you work with AI agents, cloud services, APIs, or CI/CD pipelines, securing Non-Human Identities is essential.

Take the most comprehensive and only accredited NHI training program in the industry and learn how to manage and secure NHIs, including AI agents.

Enrol here – nhi-training.org