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The Non-Human & AI Identity Podcast
- By Humans for Humans, No AI Generated Content.
- Mr. NHI hosts the voices shaping the future of Non-Human & Agentic AI Identity.
Hosted by Mr. NHI, the podcast brings together the voices actively shaping the future of Non-Human Identity (NHI) and Agentic AI Identity, from founders and practitioners to security leaders dealing with these challenges in the real world.
In Episode 5, Mr. NHI is joined by Martin Sandren, IAM Product Lead at IKEA, to explore one of the most critical questions shaping the future of identity security:
AI for IAM or IAM for AI?
As organizations rapidly adopt AI technologies, identity systems are being pushed into unfamiliar territory. Traditional IAM was built for humans, and later adapted for machines, but AI agents introduce a new category of identity: autonomous, non-deterministic, and capable of acting independently.
This shift is forcing organizations to rethink not just tools, but foundational identity models, governance, and trust.
Together, they explore some of the most pressing questions organizations are grappling with today:
- How organizations are currently tackling NHI risks?
- AI for IAM or IAM for AI?
- How AI can help reduce NHI risk?
- Do we have the right solutions to govern AI end-to-end?
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Key Moments
- Mr NHIs – Human Identity In The Hot Seat (4:15–9:40)
- How Organisations Are Currently Tackling NHI Risks (10:21–13:22)
- How Organisations Are Using AI and Agentic AI in Practice Today (12:22–16:42)
- AI for IAM or IAM for AI? (17:14–19:35)
- Where AI Can Transform IAM Processes (19:51–21:18)
- AI’s Role in Solving JML Problems and Complications (21:19–23:17)
- Can AI Improve and Bring RBAC Back? (23:18–24:17)
- How AI Is Helping to Tackle NHI Challenges and Risks (24:21–30:00)
- Where Does IAM Need to Evolve? (28:13–30:44)
- Advice for Organisations (30:45–35:32)
- What Are the Biggest Identity Security Gaps Today, Especially With AI? (35:47–39:11)
- Do We Have Suitable Solutions to Govern AI End-to-End? (40:00–41:02)
- What’s the One Thing That Keeps You Up at Night From an Agentic AI Standpoint? (44:07–46:04)
- Closing Thoughts and Advice for the Audience (46:14–46:56)
